Monday, September 20, 2010

A well played hand

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $91.80
SB: $121.65
BB: $101.50
UTG: $99.00
UTG+1: $100.00
MP1: $100.00
MP2: $100.00 - 12/9 / 27% steal / 5.1% 3bet / 2.3 AF / 405 hands

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 2c 2s
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds
I could go either way on this call; it is solely a position-based call.

Flop: ($7.50) 8d Qh 2d (2 players)
MP2 requests TIME, MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.50, MP2 calls $4.50
Meh... bottom set :-)...  I'll fire out a "feeler."  :-).  I have to imagine that he's raising with AA, KK. 

Turn: ($16.50) Qd (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $9.50, MP2 calls $9.50
I'm not convinced he has a Queen, so I don't want to represent the Queen myself.  A little under 2/3 pot feels like a good sized bet, so what does that leave me with?  99-JJ with a heavier weighting towards the JJ.  It also could be a AA,KK who planned on raising a clean turn, but sees a "bad" card.  He is in turtle mode, trying to bluff catch.

River: ($35.50) 8h (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $20, MP2 requests TIME, MP2 calls $20
I want him to "catch" my bluff.  I was unsure about my bet sizing, but I think it was perfect.  I don't know that he's calling $25, and $15 lets him bluff catch too lightly...  Also, if he does turn up with the Queen, he's raising on the rivered boat.

Final Pot: $75.50
Hero shows 2c 2s (a full house, Twos full of Queens)
MP2 mucks Jd Js
Hero wins $72.50
(Rake: $3.00)


  1. why in the world could go either way on the preflop call? You don't think you can profitably set mine? wtf?

  2. Ok. So here's what one of the things I've been playing around with lately: set mining with small PPs. When I did my leakfinder with Mpethy, I was finding that my small PPs from OOP were primarily losers; in 30k hands, approx. 1.5 buy in losers to be more specific. What he suggested is that I open fold or limp / fold 3bets with small PPs (I've been doing the latter to a better degree of success). To an extent, I've been doing the same with PPs in position, though with less frequency due to position.

    The idea is this: I am going to faced with tough decisions regardless of the flop (as long as it's unimproved) where a lot of my in position opponents are pushing me off what potentially may be the best hand. With 22, what kind of flop (exception of 2 on the flop) what kind of flop am I hoping for? Against a tight opponent? Loose? I can't really continue regardless. It's essentially a loss of 3-4 BBs, a slow but steady leak.

    As an FYI, I've replaced those bottom PPs for raises from earlier positions with KQ & AJs... KQ makes easy sense; most of the hands that have it dominated are 3betting hands, and AJs has a similar though weaker philosophy.

  3. I get that they can be leaks oop, but you can hope for certain boards in position regardless of how small a pp you have. You can continue with 22 on a J 7 3 rainbow board pretty easily, for instance. Dry boards are fine to peal after a c-bet. You get the advantage of possibly tilting players who think you suck.

  4. Not doubting a continuance on a board like J 7 3, which is so unlikely to have hit villains range, but what happens when I have a player who regularly 3barrels with bluffs & bets? I don't think my nut low pair can stand 2 or 3 barrels, which is what I'm seeing a lot of lately; i.e. a 14/8 2 or 3 barrelling my underpairs to boards like above.

  5. You shouldn't be facing tough decisions postflop with 22... if you hit you get the money in - if you miss, you have very poor equity so just fold flop.

    Peeling J73 with 22 is a leak, try Stoving it vs a reasonable range for villain and you'll see how poor your equity is, not to mention the fact you'll get barrelled off it on later streets. You should be floating some of the time, but do that with stuff like T9s/KQ/BDFDs etc rather than 22, which has 2 outs vs a better hand and no real semi-bluffing potential (unlike a BDFD).

    Nh though, I like your bet sizing given his hand is really face up as 99-JJ.

    Definitely call pre, we are IP and think about what you just said - if we are facing 2-3 barrels on J73r the same can be said of J72r when we have the effective nuts. We easily have the implied odds to call pre.

  6. @Happy - Does this change when you're OOP with 22? Facing a PFR?

  7. Yeah OOP I normally just fold pre unless I'm getting really good odds or I have reason to believe villain is going to overplay TP type hands postflop.


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