Friday, August 13, 2010

What would you do? #161 - Holding my cards (J9s)!

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $79.80 - I'm a 31/17 / 75% steal / 0% 3bet / 0.6 AF / 29 hands at this table
SB: $50.25
BB: $97.25 - 31/17 / 0% steal / 8.3% 3bet / 7.5AF / 29 hands
UTG: $37.55
UTG+1: $42.25
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $50.00
CO: $21.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 9c Jc
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 8h Jh 3s (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3
I'm fairly certain I'm good here.  There is no need to raise because I'm not pushing a better Jack off the hand and we're deep stacked.  I don't want to put myself into a situation where I'm deciding 150BBs with top pair, no good kicker...

Turn: ($9.25) 4d (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $13.25, BB calls $8.25
Now he just seems like he's donking around...  Either he's got what he says or he doesn't.  It call behind says he doesn't have it.

River: ($35.75) 8d (2 players)
BB bets $79.50 all in, Hero ???
Alrighty then...  WTF?  Nothing like an overbet shove to wake you up...  Let's get to work:
A.  Is he every flatting a turn raise with a monster hand?  He's proven to be fairly aggro in limited history.  I think if he has two pair, he's going to try to 3bet the turn to get stacks aligned.
B.  Although there is a possibility he's calling second pair because my raise is weak-ish on the turn, is he really shoving over 100BBs with a trips / set combo?  Does he really think he's going for value here?  Why wouldn't he have done that on the turn?  The river didn't really change anything.
C.  What is going on here!??!?!?! 

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Hero calls $62.05 all in
I think I have to call given the above.  It's just such a weird spot not to call.

Final Pot: $159.85
Hero shows 9c Jc (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
BB shows 5d Jd (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
Hero wins $156.85
(Rake: $3.00)


  1. I don't like this one. Your logic is sound all the way, and this guy doesn't seem to know what he's doing, but he might not know what he's doing with TJ/QJ/KJ/AJ here.

    You give credit to your own kicker problem on the flop, then discount it for all your chips on the river.

    But hell, it worked, so what do I know...

  2. I'm not a full ring, or even a six max player, but raising the turn is way too thin IMO.

  3. In a vacuum I don't like the call on the end though I guess against this opponent you correctly deduced that the overshove was weak. Also have to think about how I feel about that turn raise with just TPMK. Not sure how much I like that in general though against more weak passive players I am fine with it. Seems like you were setting yourself up to play a huge pot with a marginal and potentially fold out hands like 99-TT. You also would expect J5 to fold though so perhaps it was

  4. @Matt - You're correct; I just got through a session with Mpethy - one of his notes was raising bluffing hands off their hands & I think this would be a prime example.

    In the end, this hand works out, but I think its more important to arrive at the proper solution correctly than to play it incorrectly.

  5. Given your position, your raise on the turn could also be seen as free showdown play on the river... except the guy bet into you this time :)


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