Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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SB: $59.10 - 25 / 13 / 25% steal @ 16 hands
Hero (BB): $52.60
UTG: $29.65
UTG+1: $50.00
MP1: $51.35
MP2: $28.30
CO: $65.25
BTN: $48.65
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7s 9h
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1
I call given the players seeing the flop.
Flop: ($6.00) 4c 8s 6s (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks
Turn: ($6.00) 7d (4 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4, MP1 folds, MP2 folds
River: ($14.00) 5h (2 players)
SB bets $53.60 all in, Hero ???
So this is a slightly different than the other post, in that I do have the second nut straight. What would you do?
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Hero calls $47.10 all in
Final Pot: $108.20
SB shows 9d Td (a straight, Ten high)
Hero mucks 7s 9h
SB wins $105.20
(Rake: $3.00)
Final Pot: $108.20
SB shows 9d Td (a straight, Ten high)
Hero mucks 7s 9h
SB wins $105.20
(Rake: $3.00)
this hand sucks - I see lots of bad players spazz shove where there is a straight on the board thinking "hah, we're all chopping", and forget that people can have higher straights. (and also forgetting that a spazz shove only bumps up the rake for Full Tilt).
ReplyDeleteHis turn bet looks strong - so it's a value bet with 2 pair or set, trying to protect against the draws, or the already made 9T.
Did he check two pair or a set on the flop, hoping to checkraise? Or did he check with nothing but a gutshot 9T and get there?
I probably call and regret it the rest of the week when he shows 9T. If I knew this was a bad player (impossible to tell after 16 hands), I would be much happier about calling
The SB bet $53 into a $14 pot. Facing an overbet like this, what you do you usually see from the villain. Do they tend to have the nuts or a stab at the pot? Do the stats help you make a decision?
ReplyDeleteI don't think the stats are any help here. 16 hands is not a significant sample size whatsoever. However, he did the same thing to me as I did in the other post, except this time, I have the 2nd nut straight.
ReplyDeleteI think an overbet shove like this into a $14 pot more often than not points to the V attempting to push me off the hand (figuring at worst for a split) more than showing down the nuts, but I could be wrong.
When you call your straight 'the second nuts' on this board, it makes it sound like you have a strong hand, but you really don't. The Third nuts is the board! Therefore there are only 3 hands: the board, your hand, and the nuts. You have a medium hand.
ReplyDeleteCalling $54 for a $14 pot to pick off a bluff (with no read on the player) or 'hopefully chop' is arguably terrible.
That said, there are enough bad players at these stakes who would think that this board is a 'prime bluffing opportunity' to risk their stack to win $14, so i understand your call, but I wouldn't do it myself.
This is a really tough spot...
ReplyDeleteWe should note that SB woke up on the turn with a bet into three opponents... It's probably not a bluff but it's not easy to narrow it down either. T9 would be the made nuts, but I wouldn't rule out a good pair or set hand; as first to act on the flop he might have been check/raising or struggling with how to extract with a monster out of position.
On the river, such an overbet would seem unlikely to be the pure nuts every time, so I think it's going to be very hard for me to lay this down.
this is a call and it's not particularly close without reads
ReplyDeleteThank you Loretta! I'm actually surprised Anonymous alludes to not calling a shove without the nuts. That type of mentality is particularly exploitable...
ReplyDeleteI think mathematically, you can justify a call. You are getting about 1.3 to 1 on your call. If you think that V is bluffing here 45% or more, you're profitable calling.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I feel It's better to put your money in a better spot.
Loretta, why is this a snap call, how often is this a bluff vs nuts?