Wednesday, October 6, 2010

DQB - In love with 4betting

I am in love with 4betting.  Not many people out there are doing it, and I think I'm actually working an effective 4bet game (or so says my HEM stats...)  Perhaps $100NL is the start where people can actually lay down their JJ, QQ or even AQ, etc., which is what enables an effective 4bet game.

Below is an example where I had 4bet the field 2 times in the prior 2 hands (once I folded a flop shove and the other I took down pre-flop.  I wake up with a hand on the 3rd 4bet in a row - and induce a wonky 5bet shove.  Moreover, I flop stone quads - dem quads bitches (DQB).

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Hand History Converter

UTG: $53.80
UTG+1: $106.45
Hero (UTG+2): $100.00
MP1: $180.05
MP2: $101.00
CO: $83.05
BTN: $221.95
SB: $328.25
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+2 with Ks Kh
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $9, 4 folds, Hero raises to $25, MP2 requests TIME, MP2 raises to $101 all in, Hero calls $75 all in

Flop: ($201.50) Kd 6s Kc

Turn: ($201.50) Qd

River: ($201.50) Ac

Final Pot: $201.50
Hero shows Ks Kh (four of a kind, Kings)
MP2 shows 4d Ad (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero wins $198.50
(Rake: $3.00)


  1. I'm curious, what were the previous 2 hands you 4bet with?

  2. Sorry; I was mistaken. I 4 bet twice within the prior 16 hands, but definitely the field too note. I 4bet with AQs (folded to flop shove) & A7o (won PF).

  3. I must admit that I am having some issues with re-raising light. What inspired you to 4-bet with A7o?

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  5. 4bet bluffing works at NL100 - at NL10 they will flat call your 4bet with ATs to see a flop...

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  7. Consider the A7o as 72o. It was indiscriminate to me; likely a steal from CO. I need to ensure that my opponents get it in their head that I'm laying down my steals to 3bets. I want to put a TON of pressure on them, while in position, such that they know that they can't continue without the utmost premium cards. Not doing this all the time, but I want them to be aware that they can't 3bet with impunity.

    And Matt, you're correct: 4betting at 10NL is *WAY* tougher to get away with. The real-world cost of calling a 10nl shove and being wrong is minuscule, which is why, IMO, 10NL was the toughest level. At 10NL, you cannot bluff. You play your hands straight-forward, and don't run advanced plays. It is just too cheap for people not to look you up; the cost of $10 to bluff catch amounts to 2 cups of coffee.

    Do you think that most 10nl'ers are looking at their bb/100? I would submit that the large majority of those players are playing for sheer entertainment. They look at their bankroll at the end of the night and ask "Did my account go up or down," not "Did I play well?"

  8. So what you're saying is the conditions were ripe for the 4-bet as a bluff. You knew whether the flop was an Ace-high flop or a 7-high flop that the play that earns you $$$ is the 4-bet and not maximizing with A7. Lags and maniacs think the opposite -- "...if I can just make top pair, I will win/double up..." which is obviously rarely the case when stacks get it in in 100BB+ poker.


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