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MP2: $94.30 - 17/9 /2.3%3bet / 30% steal / 1.5AF / 2.4K hands
CO: $51.75 - 14/9/4.8%3bet/16% steal/ 3.3AF / 969 hands
BTN: $50.00
SB: $57.20
BB: $50.00
UTG: $27.85
UTG+1: $70.30
Hero (UTG+2): $56.00
MP1: $35.05
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+2 with Kh Ah
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds
Flop: ($5.25) Ks 8h 6s (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3, CO calls $3, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $8.50, MP2 calls $5.50, CO raises to $50.25 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero ???
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Hero folds, MP2 folds
I'd imagine that this is a pretty easy laydown; there aren't many draws that he can be on - save for the obvious flush draw. He's clearly not showing up with AsKs, though 9s7s is possible but highly unlikely. More than likely, in this spot, he's looking to get a call out of one of us given my check/raise - I put him on a set of 8's or 6's. FWIW, CO MP2 took quite a while to fold this hand out - I believe he was on a spade draw or some combination thereof.
Final Pot: $30.75
CO wins $29.25
(Rake: $1.50)
I'd imagine that this is a pretty easy laydown; there aren't many draws that he can be on - save for the obvious flush draw. He's clearly not showing up with AsKs, though 9s7s is possible but highly unlikely. More than likely, in this spot, he's looking to get a call out of one of us given my check/raise - I put him on a set of 8's or 6's. FWIW, CO MP2 took quite a while to fold this hand out - I believe he was on a spade draw or some combination thereof.
Final Pot: $30.75
CO wins $29.25
(Rake: $1.50)
easy fold for me.
ReplyDeleteI would also like to hear why you raised flop.
@Matt - Why am I raising the flop? CO was given excellent odds to call with a draw, and MP2 can be betting any Kings. I want to get value out of my hand when / if I'm ahead. I'm OOP and want to take control of the betting. Clearly, I don't anticipate a call / raise all in from the CO. CO flatting in position isn't a particularly strong move here, so I give it little credit. MP2 opening is not particularly scary; it seems like a good spot for a check / raise with the intention of taking it down right now (with a decent flop hand) or getting spade draws to pay dearly.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking for more spots to be aggressive - I get fearful of bloating the pot with one pair, though.
ReplyDeleteI agree that you should be looking for those spots. What would you do in this situation? Check / call 3 streets given a non-spade turn & river? For this hand, given the 2 "tightish" players, wouldn't you rather find out exactly where you are? You don't have a re-draw other than to the obvious 2 pair / trips - so your hand is essentially as good as it's going to get. I just don't see myself wanting to go much past the flop or turn with this hand because I know that my showdown value diminishes with each card.
ReplyDeletei dont like the way u play your hand
ReplyDelete#1 u should give stats for villains flop aggression
#2 about the hand
we can imagine that their caling range preflop is mostly PP and SC i dont think that they slow play AA-KK preflop or that they have a lot of Kx hands in their range
on flop u have TPTK with back door nuts flush draw, so u whats your options here
a) Cbet kinda suks if u got raised cos u r oop and u dot really want to play big pot oop vs 2 tightish villains with only a pair, but on the other hand Cbet is good cos you r not giving free cards and you value betting draws etc
b) u can check
1b)for pot control and see what happens
2b)with intention to c/r if u think that villains will often take a stab at pot
u decide to c/r
first i dont like your idea of c/r vs 2 tight villains without specific reads, on flop that hits good their perceptive calling preflop ranges(i'm making assumption in dark cos i dont know villains flop aggression)
and second and most important your 3bet sizing suks
- you r giving ton of FE if some 1 decide to 3bet shove with a draw and u have 0 fold eq for your self with your sizing
- you r giving good prize for a draw to call
pot is 5,25+3+3+8,5 =19.75 and any villain is getting more then 2,5:1 pot odds for a call
+ they have ton FE if they shove on top of that
when all that said when action gets to CO he get this situation:
pot 25,25$ CO stack ~46$
if he just call he has little bigger then pot sized bet left and if he is on a draw he is getting right prize to call, + he will get right prize to call a 1/2 pot size bet on turn but he wont have any fold eq on turn
so with MP screaming weakness imo, and you turning your hand face up i mean you r telling that u have weak hand that cant hold much heat(imo with your play i read your hand as 1 pair hand cos I dont think that you'll play sets/ strong draws that way (maybe i'm wrong))
i think that CO best play is to shove and max his FEQ and try to collect dead money or at least get all in vs 1 opponent with ton of dead money in the pot and a good EQ vs yours or MP calling range(imo all his draw outs
will be live most of the time).
as all that said is not necessary that CO is good enough to have this thoughts and to read this situation this way and to make this play with a flush draw
so to sum it up i really, really don like the way you play this hand.
hate your 3 bet.
specially the size of it
i think best play should be check flop and see what happens,
as played if you want to c/r i'll go to 11-12$ and prob fold if MP shove most of the time, and 60/40 call/fold if CO shove
so cos i end up folding when some one 3bet shove over mine c/r most of the time i dont like to c/r with that good of a hand in this spot
so cos u have backdoor nut flush draw to go with your TPTK + weird SPR and u have descend eq and price for drawing + implied odds even if some of them has set best play imo should be to just call and evaluate turn.
BTW what was your game plan for turn after you raise? cos obv with that c/r size you'll be called very very often in 1 or 2 spots
i dont like the way u play your hand
ReplyDelete#1 u should give stats for villains flop aggression
#2 about the hand
we can imagine that their caling range preflop is mostly PP and SC i dont think that they slow play AA-KK preflop or that they have a lot of Kx hands in their range
on flop u have TPTK with back door nuts flush draw, so u whats your options here
a) Cbet kinda suks if u got raised cos u r oop and u dot really want to play big pot oop vs 2 tightish villains with only a pair, but on the other hand Cbet is good cos you r not giving free cards and you value betting draws etc
b) u can check
1b)for pot control and see what happens
2b)with intention to c/r if u think that villains will often take a stab at pot
u decide to c/r
first i dont like your idea of c/r vs 2 tight villains without specific reads, on flop that hits good their perceptive calling preflop ranges(i'm making assumption in dark cos i dont know villains flop aggression)
and second and most important your 3bet sizing suks
- you r giving ton of FE if some 1 decide to 3bet shove with a draw and u have 0 fold eq for your self with your sizing
- you r giving good prize for a draw to call
pot is 5,25+3+3+8,5 =19.75 and any villain is getting more then 2,5:1 pot odds for a call
+ they have ton FE if they shove on top of that
when all that said when action gets to CO he get this situation:
pot 25,25$ CO stack ~46$
if he just call he has little bigger then pot sized bet left and if he is on a draw he is getting right prize to call, + he will get right prize to call a 1/2 pot size bet on turn but he wont have any fold eq on turn
so with MP screaming weakness imo, and you turning your hand face up i mean you r telling that u have weak hand that cant hold much heat(imo with your play i read your hand as 1 pair hand cos I dont think that you'll play sets/ strong draws that way (maybe i'm wrong))
i think that CO best play is to shove and max his FEQ and try to collect dead money or at least get all in vs 1 opponent with ton of dead money in the pot and a good EQ vs yours or MP calling range(imo all his draw outs
will be live most of the time).
as all that said is not necessary that CO is good enough to have this thoughts and to read this situation this way and to make this play with a flush draw
so to sum it up i really, really don like the way you play this hand.
ReplyDeletehate your 3 bet.
specially the size of it
i think best play should be check flop and see what happens,
as played if you want to c/r i'll go to 11-12$ and prob fold if MP shove most of the time, and 60/40 call/fold if CO shove
so cos i end up folding when some one 3bet shove over mine c/r most of the time i dont like to c/r with that good of a hand in this spot
so cos u have backdoor nut flush draw to go with your TPTK + weird SPR and u have descend eq and price for drawing + implied odds even if some of them has set best play imo should be to just call and evaluate turn.
BTW what was your game plan for turn after you raise? cos obv with that c/r size you'll be called very very often in 1 or 2 spots
BTW
ReplyDelete"given the 2 "tightish" players, wouldn't you rather find out exactly where you are?"
NEVER EVER RAISE FOR INFO!!
RAISE FOR VALUE OR RAISE FOR BLUFF, EVEN RAISE FOR TILT BUT
NEVER EVER EVER RAISE FOR INFO!!!!
"You don't have a re-draw other than to the obvious 2 pair / trips - so your hand is essentially as good as it's going to get"
YES U HAVE A HUGE REDRAW
U HAVE NUT BACK DOOR FLUSH DRAW,
TRIPS OUTS ARE NOT A REDRAW COS IF VILLAIN HAVE SET OR FLUSH DRAW IF U HIT TRIPS THAT DONT IMPROVE/CHANGE YOUR HAND VS HIS HAND
AND 2 PAIRS OUTS R ONLY REDRAW IF VILLAIN HAND IS EXACTLY 86, BUT IN THAT CASE U HAVE ALSO TRIPS OUTS AND RUNNER RUNNER PAIR OUTS AS WELL
AND ALSO U HAVE OUTS TO RUNNER BOAT OR QUADS