The outside of the WinStar in Thackerville, OK |
Upon arrival, I tried to take a few pictures (as evidenced above), but was largely unsuccessful, as I was anxious to get seated & get in what would likely be my only time to play until next week. Therefore, I tried a panoramic shot to get the true feel for the casino's varied architecture. I was impressed that the architects went with a Vegas feel for the outside; if you can't see the picture, the architecture varies from London (Big Ben / Parliament) to Saxony (nondescript castle) to Roman colonnades and amphitheater, all the way over to Japanese pagoda(?). Although the inside of the building was not nearly as meaningful of a presence as the outside, at least they're trying in the middle of nowhere in Thackerville!
Inside the poker room |
The games definitely felt like 1/3 at the 'Shoe in Baltimore; very loose pre-flop calls somewhat home game, followed by check / folds and/or folds on the turn. People were continually paying for draws and bottom pairs hoping to suck out.
There was one particularly memorable player - a late 70's farmer type - who would call any and every "reasonable" raise PF, only to fold on the flop as described above. (I use quotes around reasonable because although he wouldn't call a $50 open, he had no problem throwing in $30 or $35). If he hit his top pair, he'd either bet or raise, making him very easy to play against. A few uninteresting hands with him are detailed as follows:
I open with KQ after a limper to $15. He calls as do 3-4 others. Flop comes K 5 2. He ships $58. I call as the only player and he flips over K9. I hold and scoop. He rebuys $200.
I open $35 (to try isolate him) with QQ from the BB after a ton of limps and he's the only caller. Flop comes 6 2 3. He checks and I bet $35 - he ships for $60 and I call; he hits a J on the turn for 2 pair (J6o) and scoops. GG sir.
I isolate AQo for $35 and take down a blank flop with a cbet. FWIW that happened numerous times, so I don't remember all the particulars. On and on...
The two hands of the night were as follows:
- I open to $17 after a limper with AJo. Two callers - Mr. Farmer and a loose Asian guy with about $400 in front of him. Flop comes A 9 5cc. I cbet $45 with my TP OK kicker. Mr. Farmer folds and Asian dude just calls. Turn is an offsuit 2 and he checks over to me; I lead for $75 and he flats again. River is an offsuit Q. He checks again. In retrospect, I think I can make a small value bet on the river here: $50-75, but I weigh that against the issue that too often if I bet 3 streets, my opponent is only calling when they have me beat. The logic I'm balancing though is if they're calling $75 on the turn, they're calling a $75 or less bet on the river if they hold a worse Ace. I don't know; I could go either way, but I need to think about it more closely when I'm in that situation since in this case, I pretty quickly checked through. Perhaps I'm being results-oriented, but he shows ATo and I win a sizable pot.
- The other hand of note was against another older guy who, to my knowledge, had not raised or been aggressive all night. He sat down with $500+, coming from a 2/5 game, and was slowly bleeding away until this hand came up with him sitting on maybe $350. It limps to me in the SB and I look down at QQ again. Mr. Farmer is in the hand, so I again try what didn't work last time by raising to $35 - trying to isolate him. This time, the other older guy wakes up and limp / raises to $100 flat by tossing in a $100 chip on an announced raise. It folds back to me and I tank. Does an old guy limp raise with anything but AA / KK? Is it reasonable? AK? I eventually wind up folding after he tells me he'd show, but he only shows me an Ace. Claims he had AK. Not sure whether I believe him, but AA / KK / AK is a coin flip for a call (i.e. equal number of combos for AK as for AA & KK combined). Oh well; tough spot for $35.
Post-script: A few short notes on quirky rules at the WinStar.
- When transferring from one game to another of the same stakes, you have an option of taking chips off the table.
- When facing a bet and another player announces all in, that all in bet must be double the bet being called in order for action to be reopened. For example, if I raise to $10 in a 1/3 game, my raise is $7. If another player goes all in for $18 total, betting is not reopened to me since the all in player's raise is not $20 or more, double the bet being faced.
- Betting lines are observed; moreover if you cross the betting line with a stack of chips, all of those chips are the bet. In other words, you cannot take a stack of chips across the line and only bet a portion of them; the entire stack that you take across the line is the standing bet.
Good thing you didn't run into Cdizzy or she might have taken your sockroll!
ReplyDeleteif u went to winstar without meeting cdizzy, its not worth going
ReplyDeleteLet's clarify on rule #1. When coming from a broken table of the same stakes, a player has the option of playing all of the chips he had on the broken table or he/she can opt to buy in for the $100 min to $300 max. However, if the player is simply transferring from another active table, they may only sit with up to the $300 max buy. Also, one can never bring more than the table max when switching stakes.
ReplyDeleteRule #2 depends more on the dealer. Occasionally you will find rules interpretation to be less than consistent from one dealer to another or one floor to another. This is a problem not isolated to just Winstar. Many of the dealers will recognize the raise in the cited example was $7 and a reraise / shove to 18 will re-open the betting.
Want some real excitement at the "Big TeePee? play the 1-2-5 PLO game next time.
I thought both were kinda weird rules; #1 allows for players to go south -- a big no no at every casino I've ever played. #2 I thought was a pretty universal rule. I've only seen those raising rules at limit games...
DeleteOh, and many people don't realize that the worlds largest casino (i.e. Winstar World) is nothing bu a tent with a fiberglass facade.
ReplyDeleteI had no idea it was a tent inside; seemed like permanent walls... I didn't get a chance to check out the casino part of the building, but it was huge from the outside.
DeleteYes sir, it is huge. Just over 1 mile to walk from the poker room to the hotel lobby.
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