A background on the players... The table was a mix of inexperienced players, local "rocks" and wannabe young douche bags (you know; the sunglasses-wearing, Ed Hardy shirt guys with too many tattoos - sorry if I'm alienating any of my readers, but you know who you are if you are one... and for some reason, they rub me the wrong way). I call the "rocks," rocks with quotes because by-and-large these players are terrible and only making money from the tourists.
At any rate, there was one particularly good player who I would try to avoid. For this hand history's purpose, I will refer to him as nanonoko, because he reminded me of Randy Lew. Clearly an online player who converted, he was positionally aware and selectively aggressive as hell. Every time I would raise and he had position, he would flat as he would against other players. He knew full well how to raise, 3bet, cbet air on 2 or more streets, and just generally run over the table which he was doing quite well - he was sitting on approximately $1.2K in chips, easily the big stack at my table. He was showing bluffs when he got folds and showing down winners when he needed to; a pretty scary overall player - better than my skill level.
On the other hand, I had just gotten to even on my session, sitting on a $375 stack, which was probably good for second largest stack. He knew that I was an internet player as well - we never discussed stakes, hands or volume, so I believe he assumed me to be a losing single-tabler. I'm not sure that he saw me as a fish, but I believe he saw me as a level 2 thinker: able to play my hand and put my opponent on a hand. Lastly, he knew I was able to make a fold with an overpair because I had done so [correctly] in prior hands.
All of that said, facing 2 limpers, I raised to $15 with 9 9 from MP. My pattern had been $10 + ~$2 per limper. I was getting decent value by doing so; if nanonoko wasn't involved, I could take the pot with a flop cbet. Anyway, a particularly bad local rock who had been calling ATC came along for the call as well as nanonoko, from the BTN. All other players folded and we saw a 3-way flop of:
2 7 4 rainbow
With ~$50 in the pot, I donk led for $15, wanting callers to come along. (In retrospect, this was a particularly bad bet, giving good odds for any two overs 2 float, but I was not getting a TON of resistance when cbetting without nanoko involved in pots.) The bad rock flatted, and nanonoko decided to put in a raise to $50. After careful thought, I flatted, OOP and the rock folded. We saw a 2 way turn of:
8
I checked to the aggressor who carved out a $60 stack. Here is the WWYD? I think that making the call here commits you to making a river crying call regardless, but what would you do? I don't really have physical reads to give you; I think this hand played very well like an internet hand, and other than the prior description above, you can treat it as such.
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There were three factors at play for me:
First, I had seen him show a lot of bluffs, from a similar line of aggression. The concern he was capable of overcalling with just the type of hands that were on the board; any two garbage. However, the only "logical" hand combo that I could put him on was 7 4... Is he really overcalling on the button with 7 2? I can pretty much rule out overpairs, JJ+; my OOP flat on the flop has to at least draw a bit of concern that maybe I too hit a set. Of course I felt like this line is clearly repping a flopped set, but he knows that I'm an internet player and can at least put opponents on a hand; would he make it so obvious to me that he has a set? I would think he would turn or river raise me and keep bad rock in the hand to let him chase his 2 overcards, etc. I suppose he was off in his estimation of me - as far as I was level 3 thinking, not level 2.
Second, he needs to build a pot if he wants to stack me. I'm sure he knows this; he's clearly experienced. He raised to $50 on the flop, which is the beginnings of a pot building. At this point, there's about $150 in the pot going into the turn. To bet $60 into $150 is significantly slowing down and not setting up for stacks on the river, because he knows that I'm in check / call down mode.
Third, if you're thinking raise, this is a way ahead way behind situation. The most value gained here is letting him continue to bluff / value bet. If I raise, I kill the action because it's going to fold all of his bluffs and value town myself to his monsters.
I'm also thinking about his "logical" hand possibilities: he's not flop raising strong with 8 7; he's folding out bluffs and dominated by overpairs. I took to the thought of weighted much more heavily towards bluffs and semi bluffs than overpairs, sets and two pair combos.
Therefore, I make the passive check / call.
We saw a river with a pot size of $270:
3
He led for $80 and not tanking nearly as much, I make the call for the first pump win - $430 pot!
For those interested, I made him showdown first; he showed down Q 2, claiming he thought I was on a draw. So glad his selective aggression value towned himself...
GG nanonoko (his real name was Luke)!
First, I had seen him show a lot of bluffs, from a similar line of aggression. The concern he was capable of overcalling with just the type of hands that were on the board; any two garbage. However, the only "logical" hand combo that I could put him on was 7 4... Is he really overcalling on the button with 7 2? I can pretty much rule out overpairs, JJ+; my OOP flat on the flop has to at least draw a bit of concern that maybe I too hit a set. Of course I felt like this line is clearly repping a flopped set, but he knows that I'm an internet player and can at least put opponents on a hand; would he make it so obvious to me that he has a set? I would think he would turn or river raise me and keep bad rock in the hand to let him chase his 2 overcards, etc. I suppose he was off in his estimation of me - as far as I was level 3 thinking, not level 2.
Second, he needs to build a pot if he wants to stack me. I'm sure he knows this; he's clearly experienced. He raised to $50 on the flop, which is the beginnings of a pot building. At this point, there's about $150 in the pot going into the turn. To bet $60 into $150 is significantly slowing down and not setting up for stacks on the river, because he knows that I'm in check / call down mode.
Third, if you're thinking raise, this is a way ahead way behind situation. The most value gained here is letting him continue to bluff / value bet. If I raise, I kill the action because it's going to fold all of his bluffs and value town myself to his monsters.
I'm also thinking about his "logical" hand possibilities: he's not flop raising strong with 8 7; he's folding out bluffs and dominated by overpairs. I took to the thought of weighted much more heavily towards bluffs and semi bluffs than overpairs, sets and two pair combos.
Therefore, I make the passive check / call.
We saw a river with a pot size of $270:
3
He led for $80 and not tanking nearly as much, I make the call for the first pump win - $430 pot!
For those interested, I made him showdown first; he showed down Q 2, claiming he thought I was on a draw. So glad his selective aggression value towned himself...
GG nanonoko (his real name was Luke)!
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