I think this has been the longest I've gone without a post. As "real" work builds up, I find myself playing fewer sessions, and prioritizing poker towards the back of the list of items. As a point of interest, I am usually good for around 70-80 live session per year; this year I've played around 35 live sessions. What can I say? Life gets in the way!
At any rate, I was not traveling for work this week, and I'm off for the next 2 weeks - so I expect I'll have an increased amount of time to devote to getting seat time. I have lots to do around the house, but I'm going to bump up poker on the 'ole priority list at the same time. Perhaps you'll see a second post coming in the future? Who knows?
I wanted to share a hand with you from last night - perhaps it's a bit of a sob story / bad beat boo hoo hoo, but I was questioning whether I overvalued my hand, or maybe I'm being results-oriented. We're at a 7-handed $1/3 table and I'm in mid position facing an open to $12 with a caller between me and the raiser. I look down at AcAd and 3bet to $40 with $1200 effective. I get a call from a very loose SB who actually is not a good player, but seems to frequently get lucky - and the original caller - a player who I respect, somewhat ABC, but can get out of line from time to time.
We see a 3 way flop of Js9s3s and it checks to me. I lead for $75 into the $120 pot. The SB gets out of the way (notably donating his $40 from his $~200 stack, LOL) and the original raiser flats. Hmm... As? JJ? Monsters under the bed?
Turn is a 9x and he checks again. I continue, believing my AA to be best and lead for $140 into $270 - roughly half pot. He thinks, then calls again.
River is a blank; 2x I think. He checks for the 3rd time. Do you bet? Check behind? What's calling you that you beat? AsJx is the obvious, KK, QQ? I feel like there's so much more that calls me and has me beat than that I'm beating... If I bet, I have to be prepared for a c/r and what do I do then? How much to bet given the pot is over $500 and effective stacks are in play with a bet and raise?
I meekly check behind, throwing in the towel and he flips over Ks5s for the flopped miracle. Played well? Check the turn? Bet the river? Bet a suck me bet on the river? $50? Results-wise, checking the river at minimum is the correct play, but is that the overall correct play? I think I have to continue to charge for the turn because he has so many draws in his range, and he's played the whole hand like a draw... Thoughts? Anyone even reading this blog anymore?
Friday, December 21, 2018
Thursday, June 14, 2018
A trip report from Nashua, NH (outside Boston, MA) and 2 hands
It’s been awhile since I’ve taken a business trip. As my long term readers (are there even any
readers anymore?) know, whenever I get the opportunity to go somewhere new,
I’ll try to check out the local poker scene if there is one. This past week, I had meetings outside of
Boston, MA – around 20 minutes from Nashua, NH.
Checking around on the typical sites (pokeratlas, 2p2, etc.), I found a
card room that was recently fined, and a continuing card room in operation. Unwilling to go to a place that was potentially
shut down, I opted to check out the Boston Billiard Club &
Casino (BBCC).
Before I get into the details, I will give a little
background on the New Hampshire poker scene, or more broadly, the NH gambling
scene. I’m not sure when NH received the
legal precedent to open card rooms and offer casino gaming, but it’s a more
recent (within the past few years) turn of events. As it currently stands, the maximum bet for
the casino is $4, meaning you can play blackjack all day at $4 / hand! That limit is apparently increasing in the
near future, to $10. On that same vein,
the poker room is beholden to the max bet rule; the maximum big blind is $4,
meaning the biggest hold’em game offered is $2/4 no limit (none of which were
running on a Monday night). FWIW,
besides the $1/2 NLHE game I played, the BBCC was spreading a $1/3 Omaha game.
As it turns out, in order to legally offer casino gaming,
the casino operator undertook a concession to contribute most of the proceeds
to charity. That said, other than a sign
on the door upon arrival, the feature charity (which changes daily) is
completely obscured to the player; in other words, I wouldn’t have known that I
was playing in a casino for charity vs. a casino for profit without that
sign. Located in what amounts to a strip mall, BBCC took rake the same way I’ve
seen most do it, 10% up to $5 – no flop, no drop. It offered $0.50 / hour in comps. Waitress service was terrific. Seats were fairly basic, as was the table
itself, featuring no automatic shufflers (all decks were hand shuffled). Dealers were competent. They open at 12pm, close at 1am. In fact, if I had to nitpick one thing, it
would be that buy-ins and rebuys were by runner only; one cannot rebuy at the
table. Although the runners are
efficient, I can imagine this could be a problem when the poker room is busy (5
tables were running during the night I was visiting).
As is typical of “new-ish” poker rooms introduced to an
area, play was atrocious. Obviously
given limited data (I played one session for ~4 hours), I saw obvious bluffs,
poor to terrible pre-flop hand selection and otherwise idiotic play. For example, I saw a guy call a 3bet of $35
that he opened for $6, with $60 behind holding 23cc. Obviously, he flopped a flush vs. pocket
Queens without the Qc, so he’s a poker genius, but LOL. This same guy would double through with KJ
vs. AK AIPF against the same player later on in the night, and pay me off with
a small pocket pair vs. my KK AIPF on the immediate following hand, so nice
score for me.
Overall, I had a good night with one or two hands that were
“questionable,” which I’ll share below:
- First hand, I hold 35cc in the CO against a $6 raise by the
aforementioned feature player from above.
There winds up being 8 of us in the hand; I opt to call with my
speculative hand rather than giving any thought to 3bet / squeezing, given that
the fish is clearly calling a 3bet with a wide range, which will cause the
trickle-down effect of one caller joining multiple other callers. Granted, I do have position, but I don’t want
to inflate the pot without a purpose, and 5 high is not likely to showdown as
the winner. Anyway, we see a flop of Q J
3, two spades. I check my pair of 3’s
and the BTN bets $10 (into a ~$50 pot!).
I call, as does the original raiser.
Turn is a 5 and I turn two pair. The original raiser again checks, and I decide to take control of the hand, leading for $40, as I’m 99% sure I’m ahead at this point and want value. I’m not afraid of the original raiser; I’m not sure what he’s doing or why he’s still in the hand, but I’m happy he’s still with me. The BTN immediately folds and the original raiser again calls. I have plans to check through any river that isn’t a 3 or 5, but I still can’t put original raiser on a hand. I feel as though if he had a hand, he’d have bet the flop given so many players involved in the hand. Looking at the hand from his position, I wouldn’t want my opponents seeing a turn / river for free, because if I have a hand I want to get value along the way. I would be cbetting the flop, and continuing the turn, unlike him, who is check / calling and playing passively.
That notwithstanding, we see a river of a Queen, leading the final board to read Q J 3 5 Q, rainbow. He instantly leads for $75. WTF? Check / call, check / call, then lead with a board pairing Q? Nuts or bluff – a polarizing bet, clearly, but it seems like such an odd spot for the nuts given the passivity. I don’t waste much time in calling my 5’s and Queens, and he say’s “nice call” before flipping over K6o (WTF????). I show my 5’s and the table is pretty astounded (really???? I suppose he could have been bluffing with a pocket pair, but it’s just such a weird spot to bluff there!).
- Second hand is against a tighter player, who’s pretty
passive post flop but will open PF. At
this point in the night, I’m raising a few hands in a row and look down at AJcc
on the BTN. I open to $17 after 4-5
limps, and he’s the only one who calls in early position. Flop comes AdQd3x and he checks to me. I lead for $27 and he check / raises me all
in for $160 effective. Thoughts on a
passive post flop player who all of a sudden gets aggro after seeing me become
aggro PF?
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I couldn’t put him on AA, QQ, AQ or AK, as he would have raised PF without a doubt. I absolutely can put him on 33 here – that’s an easy limp / call hand from EP. I can also put him on a ton of diamond draws. The check / raise seems so out of character for him, though. If he’s going for value, wouldn’t he either lead or c/r to $75-80 and shove the turn? Why bomb a check / raise all in? I eventually wind up calling him and he shows QTo.
Again, as I said, idiotic play… Idiotic players… Just weird spots for bluffs that make no
sense.
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Monday, May 14, 2018
The case of the overplayed Aces?
Let me preface this retelling of last week's session by saying I *NEVER* run good at MGM National Harbor. Since it opened around a year and a half ago, I've run like dog poop. I have no problem frequently getting my money in good, but my hands simply don't seem to hold. Ultimately, this bout of poor like leads to my strong preference to play at Baltimore's Horseshoe. There, in addition to having less variance, the games seem easier and I can often get my money in with my opponent drawing stone dead, in effect cutting out variance altogether. Enough of the sob story at MGM, let's get to the meat!
I decided to hit up MGM because my buddy Josh was in town on business for the week. We decided to play a session together, go for dinner, and generally catch up a bit. He was working in Tyson's Corner, and I work out of Sterling -- both in Virginia; therefore, it made the most sense to forge through the traffic and venture out 30 miles to MGM rather than travel the ~60-70 miles to Live! or Horseshoe. Although we didn't wind up at the same table, it was good catching up with him in the car sitting through traffic, and eating dinner. We're finally sitting at separate $1/$3 tables and about 3 hours in, the following hand comes up:
I have about $1000, and the villain in the hand has around $900, so we're VERY deep. I'm in the SB and the villain, from MP, raises to $18 after a limp or two. I'd been watching the villain for awhile; he seems competent, and more ABC. Never once in the three hours did I see him get out of line, nor he me. Most of my money came from the 2 aggro Asian guys to my right who were trying to out-piss one another. At this point, there was only one of those guys remaining, and he was on his 5th or 6th $200 buy in (trips to the ATM EVERY TIME!!!!). Anyway, as I was saying, MP raises to $18, gets called in 4 spots and action is to me in the SB. I look down at two Aces (no idea the color). Interesting; $100 in the pot and action is open. I think a raise is 100% in order here, no? How much? A mid-pot sized raise seems good - I 3bet / squeeze to $100. Given my deep opponent, I think he can technically call a wide range because he's getting decent implied odds, but reality-wise, he's going to manage losses and fold a wide range including small pocket pairs and smaller than AQ-. I realize I'm out of position here, and I don't want him to fold THAT wide of a range, but I also don't want him in there with any two cards because that will prompt everyone else [and their brothers and sisters] to call along side. I'm looking to isolate here and narrow ranges of my opponents in the hand. Ultimately, it folds back to him; he thinks for a bit and calls. The remaining Asian dude shoves his remaining $157 and action is back to me. I pause for awhile, but I've already done the math - I can't reopen the pot. I look at the dealer and say, "raise," with a smile on my face, knowing full well that the dealer will decline the request. He shakes his head "no," and repeat more firmly, "raise!" He verbally says, "no, you can't do that," and I chuckle a bit, making the call, as does the table at large (including the villain). The villain makes the call and we see a flop with $368 in the middle.
Jc 9c 5 flop. I'm not worried about a club draw - again I don't remember the particular suits of my Aces, but I have an unimproved hand that's going with its preflop valuation. I want to continue betting here, as I want all the money in the middle. I'm a bit concerned about him holding a pair of Jacks and less so 9's or 5's, but that's a very small portion of his overall range and should not stop me from trying to get all in. I also don't want him to fold the flop, so I opt to bet $205, little more than half pot. He thinks & calls. I pretty clearly know what he has at this point: QQ (less likely) or KK (more likely). We see a turn in a wildly unmanageable pot or $778 with $595 effective behind.
Turn is let's call it a deuce. Not sure the color, but it wasn't a club. I rip in the last ~$700 and he reluctantly calls. This would be the worst slow roll in history if he has a set.
Thoughts? Overplayed Aces or make your read and go with it?
I wait for the blank river and flip over my Aces for the scoop, one of the bigger pots I've won in recent years.
I decided to hit up MGM because my buddy Josh was in town on business for the week. We decided to play a session together, go for dinner, and generally catch up a bit. He was working in Tyson's Corner, and I work out of Sterling -- both in Virginia; therefore, it made the most sense to forge through the traffic and venture out 30 miles to MGM rather than travel the ~60-70 miles to Live! or Horseshoe. Although we didn't wind up at the same table, it was good catching up with him in the car sitting through traffic, and eating dinner. We're finally sitting at separate $1/$3 tables and about 3 hours in, the following hand comes up:
I have about $1000, and the villain in the hand has around $900, so we're VERY deep. I'm in the SB and the villain, from MP, raises to $18 after a limp or two. I'd been watching the villain for awhile; he seems competent, and more ABC. Never once in the three hours did I see him get out of line, nor he me. Most of my money came from the 2 aggro Asian guys to my right who were trying to out-piss one another. At this point, there was only one of those guys remaining, and he was on his 5th or 6th $200 buy in (trips to the ATM EVERY TIME!!!!). Anyway, as I was saying, MP raises to $18, gets called in 4 spots and action is to me in the SB. I look down at two Aces (no idea the color). Interesting; $100 in the pot and action is open. I think a raise is 100% in order here, no? How much? A mid-pot sized raise seems good - I 3bet / squeeze to $100. Given my deep opponent, I think he can technically call a wide range because he's getting decent implied odds, but reality-wise, he's going to manage losses and fold a wide range including small pocket pairs and smaller than AQ-. I realize I'm out of position here, and I don't want him to fold THAT wide of a range, but I also don't want him in there with any two cards because that will prompt everyone else [and their brothers and sisters] to call along side. I'm looking to isolate here and narrow ranges of my opponents in the hand. Ultimately, it folds back to him; he thinks for a bit and calls. The remaining Asian dude shoves his remaining $157 and action is back to me. I pause for awhile, but I've already done the math - I can't reopen the pot. I look at the dealer and say, "raise," with a smile on my face, knowing full well that the dealer will decline the request. He shakes his head "no," and repeat more firmly, "raise!" He verbally says, "no, you can't do that," and I chuckle a bit, making the call, as does the table at large (including the villain). The villain makes the call and we see a flop with $368 in the middle.
Jc 9c 5 flop. I'm not worried about a club draw - again I don't remember the particular suits of my Aces, but I have an unimproved hand that's going with its preflop valuation. I want to continue betting here, as I want all the money in the middle. I'm a bit concerned about him holding a pair of Jacks and less so 9's or 5's, but that's a very small portion of his overall range and should not stop me from trying to get all in. I also don't want him to fold the flop, so I opt to bet $205, little more than half pot. He thinks & calls. I pretty clearly know what he has at this point: QQ (less likely) or KK (more likely). We see a turn in a wildly unmanageable pot or $778 with $595 effective behind.
Turn is let's call it a deuce. Not sure the color, but it wasn't a club. I rip in the last ~$700 and he reluctantly calls. This would be the worst slow roll in history if he has a set.
Thoughts? Overplayed Aces or make your read and go with it?
I wait for the blank river and flip over my Aces for the scoop, one of the bigger pots I've won in recent years.
Wednesday, May 9, 2018
Craziness during WSOP at the 'Shoe and a hand history
Life gets in the way of poker constantly. Whether it's my children, my wife, my parents or friends, life takes priority to a game. Therefore, I've been trying to shoehorn my poker playing into smaller and smaller time slices. Over the past 2-3 months, I think I've played maybe 3 sessions, and although online poker is more readily accessible, it's kinda been the same thing for my online game.
Anyway, I was able to play last week -- while the WSOP circuit tour was in town. For a Thursday night, the action was great and the money was free-flowing. There were a few easy marks, but overall, my table was nothing to be feared. So long as one could isolate a little "roller coaster-ing," one could profit heavily. In other words, embrace variance and the profitable results will shine.
I've been considering the hand I'm about to share - from a 1/3 game at Baltimore's Horseshoe. It was a sizable pot, and I always tend to evaluate those with greater scrutiny:
I'm in the UTG+1 or 2 (can't remember) and limp A4hh (~$1500) along with 3 others in position. It gets around to the BB (~$500) who raises to $20.
The BB is aggressive and wonky; he's somewhat on tilt from a prior hand where he got it all in with K2s against AA for $130 on the flop with a gin Q22 which runner-runnered Queens for the AA scoop. He's been quietly containing his emotions for about 2 hours, but his aggression is way ramped up. He's in his late 50's / mid 60's and appears to be kinda dumb. His image of me is early 40's, tight, aggressive, sitting on a big stack by only showing down big holdings, which is why I'm sitting on my $1500 stack. Ultimately, with my call, the 3 others call rather quickly. ~$100 in the middle.
We see a flop: A 3 6 rainbow (I think there was one heart, so straight and flush backdoor draws are available). He checks and I, with my backdoor(s) and top pair, decide to lead for $45. At the time, it seemed like a mandatory bet. I don't want to see it get checked through, and I want to see how the other 3 players respond. I'd love to take down the pot with a middling Ace, but I also want to thin the herd going into the turn. The plan is that if I run into resistance from any of the other players, I can be somewhat certain I'm behind, and I'll plan to check the turn to give up control / pot control with significant action and/or bricks. FWIW, I realize the other players can be holding 3x or 6x types of hands and a $45 bet into a $100 pot is purposely not a very imposing bet. I want those 3x and 6x hands to stay involved.
I get folds around to the BB who just calls: ~$190 in the middle. I initially put him on an under pair (KK, QQ, JJ specifically) who is just stubborn. He also could have Ax (all combos of Ax for his raising range from the BB beat me), but I discount this thought since I think he charges the flop instead of check / calls. As a factor, I don't think he raises 24/ 23/ 56 / 45 / etc. combos out of the BB (nor any position for that matter, but not to the degree of certainty as out of the BB), as I simply haven't seen that from him in the 4 hours I've been sitting with him. At this point in the hand, given his play, I'm pretty sure I'm ahead. I plan to check all turn cards and bet river, as I think if he does indeed have a QQ, KK type hand, he can't pay off back to back streets, but will more likely pay off a flop bet / turn check / river "smallish" $75-$100 bet.
Turn is an off suit 7, completing the rainbow, but this time he takes control of the hand and leads for $75. I reconsider my options and reconsider his range - I'm surprised at this line. I still weight him heavily towards KK, QQ hands, but I guess I need to weight his Ax hands a bit heavier. I'm still fairly certain I'm ahead, but I'm not loving his bet and my resultant options. Call, raise and fold are all on deck for options:
Now clearly, he either had one helluva read on me on the flop / turn, or he way way way overplayed his hand (the latter more than the former). What I'm questioning is: Where did the hand go wrong? Did I misplay it? It's obviously easy to win when you river the effective nuts, but do I check through the flop? Fold the turn? Did I discredit his premium Ace / nutted hands too much? Granted, A9o is hardly a "premium" hand -- certainly not a 3 street ~$500 hand -- but I guess what I'm also conflicted by is the whole thought that my A4 hand is a bluff catcher on the river that would not have caught his "bluff."
I therefore argue that his river shove turns his hand into a bluff not a value bet, but if I call the turn, shouldn't I call any blank river? Or should I be calling turn and folding a river shove? There aren't too many bricks, save for an A, 3, or 6 but let's count bricks also as 10's and 9's -- hands that don't help his perceived range and don't help me. For mental reference, I'm purposely staying away from calling a Q or a K a "brick," because it completes many sets given his range, and also gives him 2 pair given his would-be revised [turn betting] range. Also, consider that he's shoving any river - with both bluffs and values. If I second-guess my flop bet, his sizing by the river is not a shove, and more readily called (i.e. checks through flop, turn bets $50-70 and now there's $190-$210 with ~$380 behind by the river; an awkward overbet). Am I overthinking / over-analyzing this hand?
Anyway, I was able to play last week -- while the WSOP circuit tour was in town. For a Thursday night, the action was great and the money was free-flowing. There were a few easy marks, but overall, my table was nothing to be feared. So long as one could isolate a little "roller coaster-ing," one could profit heavily. In other words, embrace variance and the profitable results will shine.
I've been considering the hand I'm about to share - from a 1/3 game at Baltimore's Horseshoe. It was a sizable pot, and I always tend to evaluate those with greater scrutiny:
I'm in the UTG+1 or 2 (can't remember) and limp A4hh (~$1500) along with 3 others in position. It gets around to the BB (~$500) who raises to $20.
The BB is aggressive and wonky; he's somewhat on tilt from a prior hand where he got it all in with K2s against AA for $130 on the flop with a gin Q22 which runner-runnered Queens for the AA scoop. He's been quietly containing his emotions for about 2 hours, but his aggression is way ramped up. He's in his late 50's / mid 60's and appears to be kinda dumb. His image of me is early 40's, tight, aggressive, sitting on a big stack by only showing down big holdings, which is why I'm sitting on my $1500 stack. Ultimately, with my call, the 3 others call rather quickly. ~$100 in the middle.
We see a flop: A 3 6 rainbow (I think there was one heart, so straight and flush backdoor draws are available). He checks and I, with my backdoor(s) and top pair, decide to lead for $45. At the time, it seemed like a mandatory bet. I don't want to see it get checked through, and I want to see how the other 3 players respond. I'd love to take down the pot with a middling Ace, but I also want to thin the herd going into the turn. The plan is that if I run into resistance from any of the other players, I can be somewhat certain I'm behind, and I'll plan to check the turn to give up control / pot control with significant action and/or bricks. FWIW, I realize the other players can be holding 3x or 6x types of hands and a $45 bet into a $100 pot is purposely not a very imposing bet. I want those 3x and 6x hands to stay involved.
I get folds around to the BB who just calls: ~$190 in the middle. I initially put him on an under pair (KK, QQ, JJ specifically) who is just stubborn. He also could have Ax (all combos of Ax for his raising range from the BB beat me), but I discount this thought since I think he charges the flop instead of check / calls. As a factor, I don't think he raises 24/ 23/ 56 / 45 / etc. combos out of the BB (nor any position for that matter, but not to the degree of certainty as out of the BB), as I simply haven't seen that from him in the 4 hours I've been sitting with him. At this point in the hand, given his play, I'm pretty sure I'm ahead. I plan to check all turn cards and bet river, as I think if he does indeed have a QQ, KK type hand, he can't pay off back to back streets, but will more likely pay off a flop bet / turn check / river "smallish" $75-$100 bet.
Turn is an off suit 7, completing the rainbow, but this time he takes control of the hand and leads for $75. I reconsider my options and reconsider his range - I'm surprised at this line. I still weight him heavily towards KK, QQ hands, but I guess I need to weight his Ax hands a bit heavier. I'm still fairly certain I'm ahead, but I'm not loving his bet and my resultant options. Call, raise and fold are all on deck for options:
- Raising will effectively fold out his bluffs and under pairs -- I only get called by better hands (i.e. all better Aces).
- Folding leaves a lot of money on the table against his "bluffs" which I mentally still include KK, QQ, JJ, TT.
- Again, I'm not as confident, but I think calling makes the most sense; the 7 gives me 4 of my backdoor outs, plus the two pair outs of hitting a 4. Therefore, I have 7 outs going to the river -- 14% in the worst case that I'm currently behind. Therefore, I call: $340 in the middle, with ~$350 effective behind... $75 to win $265 against $350 additional implied; ~3 to 1 immediate with ~8 to 1 total implied odds which is cutting it close for the percieved clean outs. Against his range, though, I think I'm getting the correct mathematical odds, factoring in that I'm ahead some percentage of the time.
Now clearly, he either had one helluva read on me on the flop / turn, or he way way way overplayed his hand (the latter more than the former). What I'm questioning is: Where did the hand go wrong? Did I misplay it? It's obviously easy to win when you river the effective nuts, but do I check through the flop? Fold the turn? Did I discredit his premium Ace / nutted hands too much? Granted, A9o is hardly a "premium" hand -- certainly not a 3 street ~$500 hand -- but I guess what I'm also conflicted by is the whole thought that my A4 hand is a bluff catcher on the river that would not have caught his "bluff."
I therefore argue that his river shove turns his hand into a bluff not a value bet, but if I call the turn, shouldn't I call any blank river? Or should I be calling turn and folding a river shove? There aren't too many bricks, save for an A, 3, or 6 but let's count bricks also as 10's and 9's -- hands that don't help his perceived range and don't help me. For mental reference, I'm purposely staying away from calling a Q or a K a "brick," because it completes many sets given his range, and also gives him 2 pair given his would-be revised [turn betting] range. Also, consider that he's shoving any river - with both bluffs and values. If I second-guess my flop bet, his sizing by the river is not a shove, and more readily called (i.e. checks through flop, turn bets $50-70 and now there's $190-$210 with ~$380 behind by the river; an awkward overbet). Am I overthinking / over-analyzing this hand?
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Wednesday, April 11, 2018
This video angers me to no end...
It's been awhile since my last post. Nothing much to report; life goes on and poker continues. Anyway, I came across this video from Jalopnik the other day.
Every time I see it, I just want to scream at the driver of the white car...
Wednesday, January 24, 2018
An interesting ruling at the 'Shoe - What would you do?
I got murdered during my session last week. All in on the turn with the flop nut straight? Rivered flush. All in on the flop? Turned flush. All in on the turn with bottom two pair? Rivered trips. Wah wah wah.
Anyway, an interesting hand occurred midway through the first orbit of my miserable session. Here's the recount:
Pre flop cards are dealt.
As the dealer completes the deal, the dealer somehow knocks over the top two cards, one of which flips over face up -- a 4 of spades. The dealer is unsure which card is the top card (i.e. the burn card) and which should be on the flop, and the players were not closely observing the dealer to know which is which. At this point, action has completed in 2-3 spots (UTG called, 2 others folded). Therefore, I think "significant" action has occurred and a misdeal cannot be called.
What do you do in this situation? To sum up, 1 of 3 pre flop cards have potentially been exposed, or potentially the burn card has been exposed. A normal rule for prematurely exposed board cards is to deal out and preserve the natural order of the deck (i.e. if the turn is prematurely shown, deal the river as the turn and and then reshuffle the deck). In this situation, the partial flop is prematurely exposed.
Floor is called and rules to take other 2 cards off top of deck (the natural 2 remaining flop cards). Floor rules to shuffle them into the 2 "exposed" cards on the table, meaning the pending action has the advantage of knowing that 3 out of 4 times (75%), there will be a 4 on the flop, whereby the prior action was not able to take advantage.
Personally, I think this is the worst response, but in the heat of the moment, the floor had to make a snap decision to continue the game. No shame on the floor; he's caught in a tough spot with a situation that likely has never occurred before.
In thinking about it more critically, and talking with the table, there are quite a few solutions:
FWIW, I raised my AQo, got a host of callers and check / folded the flop with the 4 3 4 flop when an opponent with 88 led all streets -- 5 hit the turn, 7 hit the river and the 88 got stacked by 66.
Anyway, an interesting hand occurred midway through the first orbit of my miserable session. Here's the recount:
Pre flop cards are dealt.
As the dealer completes the deal, the dealer somehow knocks over the top two cards, one of which flips over face up -- a 4 of spades. The dealer is unsure which card is the top card (i.e. the burn card) and which should be on the flop, and the players were not closely observing the dealer to know which is which. At this point, action has completed in 2-3 spots (UTG called, 2 others folded). Therefore, I think "significant" action has occurred and a misdeal cannot be called.
What do you do in this situation? To sum up, 1 of 3 pre flop cards have potentially been exposed, or potentially the burn card has been exposed. A normal rule for prematurely exposed board cards is to deal out and preserve the natural order of the deck (i.e. if the turn is prematurely shown, deal the river as the turn and and then reshuffle the deck). In this situation, the partial flop is prematurely exposed.
Floor is called and rules to take other 2 cards off top of deck (the natural 2 remaining flop cards). Floor rules to shuffle them into the 2 "exposed" cards on the table, meaning the pending action has the advantage of knowing that 3 out of 4 times (75%), there will be a 4 on the flop, whereby the prior action was not able to take advantage.
Personally, I think this is the worst response, but in the heat of the moment, the floor had to make a snap decision to continue the game. No shame on the floor; he's caught in a tough spot with a situation that likely has never occurred before.
In thinking about it more critically, and talking with the table, there are quite a few solutions:
- If you just shuffle the 2 "exposed" cards, you at least lower the odds to 1 out of 2 times (50%), lowering the remaining players' advantage, while preserving the natural 2 out of 3 flop cards. This solution makes it more "fair" to the players that have already acted, albeit still giving the players to act a huge advantage.
- Reshuffle the entire deck to a new flop.
- My optimal opinion to the solution: deal out the 2 flop cards, the burn & turn, and burn & river to preserve the natural order of the turn / river, and then reshuffle the entire deck with the two "exposed" flop cards. Burn the top card of the newly shuffled deck and flop the unexposed top card. You've preserved every card but the first flop card.
FWIW, I raised my AQo, got a host of callers and check / folded the flop with the 4 3 4 flop when an opponent with 88 led all streets -- 5 hit the turn, 7 hit the river and the 88 got stacked by 66.
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