Here's a hand from last Thursday:
Bodog $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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BB: $40.57
UTG: $34.48
UTG+1: $31.65
MP: $6.05
CO: $9.15
BTN: $28.83 - 14/5 @ 7 hands; no other relevant stats
Hero (SB): $27.80
CO posts a big blind ($0.25)
Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is SB with 5d 6s
3 folds, CO calls $0, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks
Flop: ($1.00) 9c Qs 7d (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75
Turn: ($3.25) 8d (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.00, BTN raises to $2.00, Hero calls $2, BB folds
River: ($8.25) 2c (2 players)
Hero bets $4.00, BTN raises to $20.25, Hero ???
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Hero folds
Somewhat of a "monster" lay down; only one hand beats me here. I just can't see a bluff raise all in, and on a limp pot, should I ever be going broke in this spot? Clearly, he hit something when the 8d hits.
I opt to lead the river because I don't want him checking it back to me by my flatting his turn raise. However, I'm full aware that if he raises, it's purely for value, with a hand that likely has me beat (i.e. JT, T6). Therefore, I fold the third nuts.
Final Pot: $16.25
BTN wins $15.45
(Rake: $0.80)
Somewhat of a "monster" lay down; only one hand beats me here. I just can't see a bluff raise all in, and on a limp pot, should I ever be going broke in this spot? Clearly, he hit something when the 8d hits.
I opt to lead the river because I don't want him checking it back to me by my flatting his turn raise. However, I'm full aware that if he raises, it's purely for value, with a hand that likely has me beat (i.e. JT, T6). Therefore, I fold the third nuts.
Final Pot: $16.25
BTN wins $15.45
(Rake: $0.80)
fold flop. All you have is a gutshot to the heinie-end of a straight. 4 outs that aren't even clean (as you found out when you hit).
ReplyDeletei wouldnt call pre
ReplyDeleteflop flop
prob call turn
bet more on river
fold to raise.
i got so excited i misspoke, i meant fold flop!
ReplyDeleteI'd have a hell of a time folding this - live, yeah, but online...
ReplyDeleteBTN just mashed the pot button on a blank river card, his range has got to be a lot wider than just JT. He probably thinks "I haz set/two pair, SB never has a straight here, push button pls!"
I've been finding that chasing inside straights are very profitable - particularly when your opponent doesn't expect you to show up with such a hand. So long as when you hit it, the implied odds are there to get stacks, etc., chasing gutters can be very profitable.
ReplyDeleteAs far as folding flop is concerned, I have imperfect odds to call the flop; I'm getting 25% pot odds @ 16% equity (figuring the 8 will make me good). However, looking at BB's lead on the turn, I think I can get extra value out of this crowd by flatting the turn and raising the river (assuming BTN doesn't have a better straight & doesn't raise the turn). Even if I decide to lead river, I think both parties are calling a decent value bet.
In other words, I think calling the 3bb flop lead is getting poor immediate odds, but certainly not terrible, and certainly worthy of seeing a cheap turn card.
As played, though, I doubt I'm ever good on the river when facing an [basically] all-in raise. Rarely do I see players bluff raising the river like this, particularly given the raise on the turn. I can't stack off without the nuts on a limped pot against an unknown.
villain can definitely play a set this way... you're getting 2:1 and he probably only limps JTs (4 combos) so he only has to have 2 combos you beat (by comparison there are 9 combos of 99/88/77), this is an easy call imo
ReplyDeleteIt's one thing to chase a gutter which will give you the nuts, but this one has reverse-imlied odds. If you make it, what hands do you think are putting in lots of money? Hmm... J 10 maybe. I'm fine w/ calling w/ gutterballs, but not this one. This has such bad reverse implied odds.
ReplyDelete- Chasing a non-nut gutshot
ReplyDelete- Being out of position
- It's a limped pot with multiple players seeing the Turn.
These are all keys to quickly dusting off a buy-in.
Having said all that... Since you've come this far, you might as well go all the way. There are certainly enough combos of Sets & Two Pairs to give you decent pots odds.
Of course, I'm just a Live Player, so take that for what it's worth.
when jt makes the nuts..
ReplyDeletegood fold. and chasing gutters could be ok but only if they give you the nuts.