tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post8675983041486327471..comments2023-12-01T14:39:41.613-05:00Comments on Just the facts... a low stakes poker blog: What Would You Do #245 - A difference of opinionThe Poker Meisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-79354499622395755732013-07-18T16:18:57.646-04:002013-07-18T16:18:57.646-04:00I was kicking myself after I bet the $25 on the ri...I was kicking myself after I bet the $25 on the river; I just felt like when he checks the turn, perhaps I can still get small value out of him on the river. I didn't want it to weakly check through when I have the 2 pair. I agree that the bet was a dumb bet.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-34480799678251665482013-07-18T13:35:10.682-04:002013-07-18T13:35:10.682-04:00Seems like he either misplayed a strong starting h...Seems like he either misplayed a strong starting hand or kept calling with a drawing one. I agree with your decision, I fold at the end. But, I do not agree with a bet on the river. Here is what I would be thinking if I were the Asian. 1) If you've been c/r me, I'll pay $25 to see your hand and get info. 2) With $135 in the pot, $25 bet seems weak perhaps I'll raise. 3) My drawingAcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02817046099646546543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-38558864255812412772013-07-18T10:54:02.214-04:002013-07-18T10:54:02.214-04:00Keep in mind he is only putting $35 into a $75 pot...Keep in mind he is only putting $35 into a $75 pot at that time. Your c/r should have been higher. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-76944928225231970712013-07-18T10:23:00.906-04:002013-07-18T10:23:00.906-04:00Good point; I almost completely discounted TT from...Good point; I almost completely discounted TT from his range. He wasn't shy to raise, so I would assume he would raise TT. However, it's entirely possible to limp TT. I just think that he faces a bet (which he flats) and a c/r (which he flats again) makes him so much more prone to drawing rather than made hands. $45 on a limped pot seems a lot to invest with a 3rd pair / backdoor. $The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-21245051507311137992013-07-18T10:12:12.596-04:002013-07-18T10:12:12.596-04:00Could it be that he just can't fold TT and is ...Could it be that he just can't fold TT and is putting you on a draw? You have check/raised him before so he sees you as a bully. Sooner or later he will start to give you less and less credit for big hands. Maybe he wants to make a stand against you in this hand with a pocket pair. It just happens that he sucks out on you big time. Acehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02817046099646546543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-3302165591414267972013-07-17T16:05:59.403-04:002013-07-17T16:05:59.403-04:00Furthermore, I c/r the flop because I'm 80-90%...Furthermore, I c/r the flop because I'm 80-90% sure someone hit. His flat of the original bet and his language said to me that he was drawing. It just felt so much like a draw and nothing else; that's why I c/r the flop. I want to get money in.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-15467603791486324342013-07-17T15:57:00.045-04:002013-07-17T15:57:00.045-04:00So you have him on what? JT calling backdoor stra...So you have him on what? JT calling backdoor straight draw or QT calling a backdoor straight draw? This is why having a random T in his hand makes no sense; he has to feel his hand is good on the flop to stand a c/r of $45 in a limp pot with $10 committed. The only other T he can have is AT for the gutter, but that doesn't make a heckuva lotta sense either; it's a lot of money to put The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-20759162454558353822013-07-17T15:09:27.075-04:002013-07-17T15:09:27.075-04:00Guy almost surely had a Ten from what you describe...Guy almost surely had a Ten from what you describe, probably not with a 9, and made his straight on the river. Easy fold, only a toolbox calls with 3rd and 4th pair on an Ace-King high board with a 4-straight showing as well and this amount of action/calling. No thought needed at that point.<br /><br />By the way, I dont like your play on the flop as a rule -- I like to check-call the flop mostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-7131590786447258982013-07-15T16:37:11.015-04:002013-07-15T16:37:11.015-04:00Well I will concede that I am not a check/call kin...Well I will concede that I am not a check/call kind of guy so that probably taints my analysis. I guess if your range is simply T9, KT, KQ then yeah c/c or even c/f makes a lot of sense (though i think we both agree that c/r flop and c/folding turn if any scare card comes is incredibly weak passive poker). I agree he doesn't have 66 in his range virtually ever. <br /><br />I guess I tend Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02421856454182439468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-71221529720933458802013-07-15T15:14:22.656-04:002013-07-15T15:14:22.656-04:00If the situation is reversed and I'm in positi...If the situation is reversed and I'm in position with AQ (though I'm probably dumping AQ vs. a c/r limp pot), I think I can safely bet my Aces up. It's not such a thin bet, either; by the river, my QJ hand is pretty face up (which admittedly is a problem), and I'm rarely showing up with QT from the hard c/r flop.<br /><br />In villain's eyes, I'm mostly showing up with 2 The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-16022622406183233152013-07-15T15:05:57.077-04:002013-07-15T15:05:57.077-04:00So that was the exact debate - not so much whether...So that was the exact debate - not so much whether to lead the flop (I'm comfortable with my c/r flop because I felt like BB would lead here). With 6 players in on the flop, I figured someone to take a stab.<br /><br />The turn was the debate - if I lead turn and get raised, do I fold? I felt like leading turn only gets called by better hands. I felt it not likely for villain, a fairly ABCThe Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-81398545172371405502013-07-15T14:59:42.084-04:002013-07-15T14:59:42.084-04:00FTR him not betting turn in a c/r flop pot is LOL ...FTR him not betting turn in a c/r flop pot is LOL bad if he has what he says he had. I assume you are calling one bet on turn and this is the spot he should be betting. Just terrible line by villain.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02421856454182439468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-74365958556570941722013-07-15T14:29:33.831-04:002013-07-15T14:29:33.831-04:00definite river fold. He could have a higher two p...definite river fold. He could have a higher two pair, also (probably wouldn't raise river holding twopair with a 4straight out there, but there are still tons of hands that beat you on this board runout.<br /><br />You played this hand fine, you just got an awful turn and awful-er river.matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-46593900936045822532013-07-15T14:21:35.881-04:002013-07-15T14:21:35.881-04:00I don't like any of the streets to be honest (...I don't like any of the streets to be honest (other than pre obv). I lead this flop and turn (I might even c/r turn against right opponent some non zero % of the time). And c/f this river. <br /><br />Seems really standard line.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02421856454182439468noreply@blogger.com