tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post8301235002412950115..comments2023-12-01T14:39:41.613-05:00Comments on Just the facts... a low stakes poker blog: More overbet for value hands... A hand gone wildThe Poker Meisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-2279699493032618092010-10-13T15:09:37.598-04:002010-10-13T15:09:37.598-04:00a 55% flip is better than the winning percentage y...a 55% flip is better than the winning percentage you will get fit-or-folding the flop, and has some fold equity to boot.<br /><br />The Vegas casinos were built on smaller edges.matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-68496166504117462392010-10-13T13:14:48.731-04:002010-10-13T13:14:48.731-04:00Ace Rag Donkey. LOL. I have a lot to learn about p...Ace Rag Donkey. LOL. I have a lot to learn about poker when A-3 is a 5-bet shove pre-flop hand. I am AMAZED K8 called you too... I think you convinced him that you were totally bluffing with air and he is a very bad player that wants to pick off those bets......SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-65769472830598359872010-10-13T13:07:16.816-04:002010-10-13T13:07:16.816-04:00I understand the sentiment about not wanting to fl...I understand the sentiment about not wanting to flat a 4bet, OOP, but I have issue potentially getting it all in on a 55/45 "flip." It just doesn't make sense to me to flip for stacks on such a narrow edge.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-57383778796058693452010-10-11T20:31:27.489-04:002010-10-11T20:31:27.489-04:00I agree with the others who think a 5 bet shove is...I agree with the others who think a 5 bet shove is better in this spot.<br /><br />If you think you're ahead get your chips in early. It's a decent sized pot preflop.<br /><br />Villain was pretty bad here but you'd be in a tough spot if you didn't connect with the flop.MicroRollerhttp://blog.microrollers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-17127605214519949882010-10-11T16:47:19.144-04:002010-10-11T16:47:19.144-04:00I'm wondering if getting hands that chop with ...I'm wondering if getting hands that chop with you to fold is worth the times you stack yourself when he's ahead and won't fold. The chance of that on this particular hand is lower than it was on mine (where you were advocating shoving a pair of kings with a weak kicker when an ace came on the turn).<br /><br />Worth a deeper look. On the surface, it seems that targeting hands that matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-59962437998114976182010-10-11T12:09:42.337-04:002010-10-11T12:09:42.337-04:00agree with all...flatting 4bets with A3 is obv sev...agree with all...flatting 4bets with A3 is obv severely -EV particularly against a fishy villain who will provide more +EV spots.<br /><br />But it is always fun to bluff with the best hand. I do it all the time...lol.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326825465896283928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-68942894040525906862010-10-11T12:06:27.022-04:002010-10-11T12:06:27.022-04:00Flatting the 4b OOP is pretty spewy imo, if you wa...Flatting the 4b OOP is pretty spewy imo, if you want to continue with the hand, just ship it pre... A3s is a great hand to 5b bluff with anyway as it has reasonable equity vs a calling range and a blocker to AA/AK/AQ<br /><br />Btw if he cbets the flop there is no point in a c/r, if you think a c/r is going to be +EV then you should c/c down insteadHappyPixelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13584284196449782836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-85703961330439659652010-10-11T11:04:31.868-04:002010-10-11T11:04:31.868-04:00I have to agree with Matt Tag here; I hate the 4be...I have to agree with Matt Tag here; I hate the 4bet flat which you "read as weakness". Would villain really not play a premium hand the same way? It's your call, in fact, which looks pretty weak when you flat a 4bet OOP. As played I don't mind the river shove, but I'm surprised you got a call here. This is a classic scenario of while you got max value out of your hand in omgitsjoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01140998827175041379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-91521953819360216592010-10-11T10:57:21.337-04:002010-10-11T10:57:21.337-04:00If he cbets the flop, then I'm likely to shove...If he cbets the flop, then I'm likely to shove over. It's a very very thin spot, though.<br />Clearly, his check on the flop was the key to the hand, though.<br /><br />@Matt: Although my hand has showdown value, I want him to fold hands that chop with me. I would prefer a fold to a showdown chop any time, any day. I don't want to get to showdown with this hand for fear that he The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-23163787579192936522010-10-11T10:48:25.065-04:002010-10-11T10:48:25.065-04:00What is your plan if he c bets half pot on the flo...What is your plan if he c bets half pot on the flop?<br />Calling and c/f turn?Poker Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-79625065961774495142010-10-11T10:40:18.189-04:002010-10-11T10:40:18.189-04:00I do not like the way you played this hand. 3Bett...I do not like the way you played this hand. 3Betting with A3s is great, but flatting a 4bet with it is bad, IMO. You've left yourself an SPR of 2, meaning you have no fold equity, meaning you have no semibluffing opportunities (say you hit the 3 with a flush draw, wouldn't you want to CRAI?) I also don't think you can fold top pair with an SPR of 2, so it's too late to worry matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-44514210789790677822010-10-11T09:53:04.246-04:002010-10-11T09:53:04.246-04:00Funny - as I was writing it, I originally wrote, &...Funny - as I was writing it, I originally wrote, "his ace is 100% better than mine," but then I thought... what happens if he shows up with A3? I would be incorrect.<br /><br />The only reason I posted this hand was to try to show a case where I want to force a fold (but am pleasantly surprised with the results).The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-46416185000402168382010-10-11T08:36:26.412-04:002010-10-11T08:36:26.412-04:00"If he has an Ace, his Ace is almost 100% bet..."If he has an Ace, his Ace is almost 100% better than mine". Ok, I have to admit I chuckled here a little. What ace are you better than? OK, I guess he could also have A3.<br /><br />Nice hand though.WillWonkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06154883018461460762noreply@blogger.com