tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post3277939958451432059..comments2023-12-01T14:39:41.613-05:00Comments on Just the facts... a low stakes poker blog: What would you do? #193 - Overplayed or outplayed? - Another overbet shoveThe Poker Meisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-32268404178210156492010-10-07T14:34:43.016-04:002010-10-07T14:34:43.016-04:00I call since I think this villain will have many d...I call since I think this villain will have many different drawing hands here, including: 10-J,10-10, Adxd, Asxs, which outweighs his value range of QQ+. I also think he value bets down his made hands like 88 and 99 so I rule those out. Meister--you mentioned in your last comment that you're taking this same line with AA, KK and AK which I have to disagree with. Are you really flat-calling omgitsjoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01140998827175041379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-40070952688341962512010-10-06T16:09:21.544-04:002010-10-06T16:09:21.544-04:00I have to state that I'm likely taking this ve...I have to state that I'm likely taking this very same line with AA,KK,AK as I am with JJ here.<br /><br />While I agree with the whole thought on the dramatic TIME call, I think this turn shove is *EXTREMELY* thin. Who is ever calling this overbet, other than hands that beat him? I have to think that Tens are folding, which leaves JJ, KK, AA, and potentially sets, and AKs. It's just The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-40221721603960646902010-10-06T15:56:56.740-04:002010-10-06T15:56:56.740-04:00When you couple the line he took with the fact tha...When you couple the line he took with the fact that he requested time before then pushing allin, that is a hand ahead of your single pair of Jacks almost every time. I'm always surprised I don't see people comment on this more, but really when you get the big dramatic pause, followed by a large bet or raise, it is almost always the goods. JJ is behind there 97+ percent of the time.<br /Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-54409383018427902032010-10-06T14:20:59.150-04:002010-10-06T14:20:59.150-04:00I flat the 3bet because I refuse to fold to a 6% 3...I flat the 3bet because I refuse to fold to a 6% 3bet, but I don't want to inflate the pot further while OOP.<br /><br />I usually don't have problems folding overpairs, but it just seems like such an odd line here, shoving the turn. I actually put him on AKs or AKd really wanting me to fold but okay with his outs if I call.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-51223187344366529642010-10-06T10:54:02.776-04:002010-10-06T10:54:02.776-04:00No reason for the shove there....most of the playe...No reason for the shove there....most of the players play straight up at that level.....so when the board paired the only hand calling is a winner.....you already checked....if he checks behind....even when you hit your card you would have bet for value and he could have gotten out cheaper.....it looks like he is a descent reg.....does he show profit on ptr?.....I had him on 1010 before the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-21272848843755374872010-10-06T10:07:43.978-04:002010-10-06T10:07:43.978-04:00LMAO You lucksack! heh. I have a lot of trouble fo...LMAO You lucksack! heh. I have a lot of trouble folding overpairs.. I think you might too?SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9142521684451555818.post-80311395780062852722010-10-06T09:50:21.662-04:002010-10-06T09:50:21.662-04:00Guessing he was trying to charge you the max for a...Guessing he was trying to charge you the max for a spade draw or JT (which I don't have you on in a 3bet pot).<br /><br />Can you talk about why you chose to flat with JJ? Looks like a coinflip to me vs. a 6% 3bet range.matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.com